Last Saturday morning, I did a radio interview with Gene Cook of Unchained Radio (click) on the subjects contained in my conference chart (Arminianism, Classic Calvinism, High Calvinism and Hyper-Calvinism). Here's the audio for the show:
November 17, 2008
Radio Interview on the Conference Chart
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Tony,
Since you talk about four views of God's love, I was wondering if you would add a section concerning God's hatred. "Esau I hated" is such a commonly used verse against even the moderate Calvinist position that I think it would be helpful to see what each of the four views say about that kind of a verse. What say ye?
Doug Van Dorn
Hi Doug,
Well, I say that would push me into 3 pages lol. We can't have that! It is a worthy topic to include, but it would push it into an additional page, and I had to stretch the margins to keep the information within two pages.
As you may have heard, we discussed the issue of God's hatred for Esau in the radio interview.
However, I will keep your suggestion in mind for the future. But, for now, I think you're a sick, sick man! You're only interested in the topic of hate, hate, hate! HAHAHA jk
Tony
Tony.
Great radio session/interview...
Very well done
Thanks, Seth ;-)
I thought I heard you mention that the claim 'God does not will for the salvation of the non-elect' leans towards hyper-Calvinism. Please clarify on this if you would.
I will say in passing, however, that this idea IS an oxymoron. I do not see a trace of hyper-Calvinism in this view. If one is by definition elect, it is only because God has ultimately willed their salvation. If one is not elect, God has not willed their salvation. To me this is simply Calvinism 101. I do not see that God would will the salvation of a sinner anymore then Satan or demons, who are condemned by their lawlessness too.
As a Calvinist, I understand the urgency of the gospel to spring from it being the message which God uses to gather His elect, not merely because He wills in some sense everyone to be saved. Really, it doesn't matter if God wills for the non-elect to be saved, because they wont be anyways. Why? Because He didn't ultimately will it! To say God wills for the salvation of the non-elect seems to me to be Calvinism from the other side of the spectrum, "limping Calvinism".
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